Rapture or Not? (Part 2)
See also Part 1: “Rapture or Not?“
Good morning to all.
You will see here in this link below, Part 1. At the very last in the article I had concluded with Hebrews 11.
“Rapture or Not?“
Now we will start first with these scriptures to show that Chapter 11 indeed was talking about the ones who have gone on before us.
“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.” Hebrews 12:1-3.
To say being a Christian is a most glorious walk is so, but it is a road often times less traveled.
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” Matthew 7:13-14.
We must be born again.
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” 1 Peter 1:23.
We want to put line upon line and precept upon precept.
“Now I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I AM not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word” John 17:15-20.
( Here please allow me to say: We must see where the ‘Rapture theory’ comes from for the very first time?
In 1830 a woman named Margaret McDonald claimed to see a series of visions concerning a rapture. It caught on and John Darby claimed it also and others started promoting it. Also others in strong leadership began to back it up.
This video I only found this morning for the very first time but found it very well put together! This reveals a lot with the scriptures this man gave. His name is Dalton Thomas.
Again I just watched this video this morning but please follow along! Please read the first Word posted; all the scriptures and the video. It will help put it all in place. We need to stay with the Word of God. )
Four of Dalton’s conclusions. Please know this is just the ‘gist’ of what he spoke in the video:
- The word rapture is not in the Bible.
- It was never taught in Church history before 1830.
- You don’t find the rapture taught outside of the Western world, basically.
- Message of escape not taught from Jesus’ messages.
Let’s Read:
“50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:50-52.
“1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.” 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17.
God bless you as we seek truth, and expose the error that has slipped into the Church of being “raptured out”.
See also Part 1: “Rapture or Not?“
~ Joyce D. McGuire
My name is Joyce D. McGuire, called to work in and for the Kingdom of God! To lead we must try to follow Jesus Christ closely. That is my heart. I am a Chaplain to the prisons; prophetic intercessor by His grace; author; and a Mother in the Kingdom of God. To many I am simply Mama Joyce. Some favorite verses of mine are Matthew 11:28-30.
Absolutely true. Personally, I see prayer as a powerful tool which is the bridge & fuel that enables us to run our heavenly race well while here on earth. So, No matter how holy any one thinks he/she is, you must pray without ceasing cause you’re bound to make mistakes. But, when we confess our sins through prayers & genuine repentance, God’s Mercy/ Grace will be there to forgive & help us. More wisdoms from above on you Jay. I replied late cause of poor network connections at my end please. Thank you.
More wisdom is always good, one can never have enough. Some take Holy Spirit like a vaccination you get the shot and we have done that, this produces a speech pattern that when ask Holy Spirit moves from being a person to an article. The baptism of Holy Spirit (HIS NAME) must be an everyday occurrence if we are going to be successful Christians. This decision every day to seek first the Kingdom of God, the place where you watch every word where you know that thoughts are enemies that try to distract you out of Gods Kingdom to get you thinking and talking like the old you resurrecting him and attempting to suffocate who you have been made. But God is faithful He never condemns He never leaves you He never writes you off you have been made new you are His child you have been made righteous not of yourself but by the one you accepted Jesus. We can notice right here that Jesus was also tempted after He was HOLY SPIRIT filled yet without sin, this is why who we have been made is not about our performance but Christianity is all about Jesus’s performance, this truth is reassured to us every day by Holy Spirit as we communicate with Heaven in tongues
Mama, am so glad to have you back in the House with. I felt your absence. I was even worried about you at a point but I continued to pray for more strength & grace for you. May God keep you & grant you more wisdoms to run the race & end well in Jesus name. Thanks a lot for your kind comments on the vision I shared. you were absolutely right. I say a huge thanks for your prayers & concerns for me & my family always Mama. God will reward your kindness, prayers & all you do for countless souls & in God’s vineyard. Like prophet Elijah, you are not yet done with your assignments even when you’re beginning to give some to others to take over. Greetings to your beloved grand daughter, other family members & well wishers. Bye Mama.
God bless you Adams and thank you for your kindness and comments.
Absolutely, I wish to flow in the Holy Ghost when and how the Lord directs.
Thank you also for the prayers as I continue to hold you and your family up to the Lord!
Praise God He alone is worthy of all praise and glory. All of us in Christ Jesus will meet if not down here, on the other side one glorious day. We will persevere and be faithful till the very end by the grace of God.
Yes, my cousin is a spirit filled person/Christian.
Adam what would you say was the difference between your cousin’s relationship with Jesus and your relationship
Dear Jay, thanks for reading my lengthy vision & your question. In sincerity, I never had any real relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ before this vision even when i was always going to Church with my family. But my cousin had long before the vision established a good relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless you.
Adam when you say your cousin had a lengthy relationship with Jesus, would you describe your cousin as a Spirit-filled (tongue talking) Christian. The debate on this blog is about evidence that there is no rapture it is a made-up term even though transport is a synonym
Page 2. The Great Chaos and people Changing very fast. At the sound of the trumpet, I looked up at the cloud & saw 3 White bird with trumpets im their mouths blowing. The 3 birds turned to countless beautiful angels each blowing their trumpets . Then, i saw the smiley face of our Lord Jesus Christ appearing faintly at first in the cloud, next his shoulders & his robe gradually. This brought great confusion where I stood looking at the cloud. I saw many people from nowhere changed & disappeared. Everything was happening too fast before my eyes . My cousin had her clothes changed & disappeared. Those of us who were not yet changed were scampering & panicking. This was when I started crying out for Mercy to our Lord Jesus Christ . At this point, the huge White man reappeared & told me to lay on my belly with my eyes at the cloud unto Jesus. As I did then my clothes got removed & I was completely naked without shame. Next, a satanic man came from no where & started dragging me to come with him to hell. The huge man tried to stop him but he wouldn’t stop as he shouted angrily that I deceived him & i made him to go to hell while he was on earth . The White man man defended me, & forcefully rescued. End of vision. I stand firmly on 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50-52 & 1 Thessalonians 4 vs 16. This vision is over 15 years. This is not a make believe story brethren. Please pardon my African English. Thanks
MARGARET MACDONALD’S ACCOUNT
The doctrine of the “PRE-TRIB RAPTURE” can also be credited to what began in Port Glasgow, Scotland in 1830. A young Scottish lass named Margaret MacDonald had a revelation of the coming of the Lord. Several noted Bible teachers of that day picked up on this thought, but it was Edward Irving and John Darby who were responsible for it being popularized in Scotland and England. It is said of Darby that he borrowed from Margaret MacDonald’s revelation, modified her views, and then taught them under his own name without giving her credit. He visited the U.S. at least six times, and his dispensationalism became part of the Scofield’s Reference Bible (1909), as quoted above. It was the notes in Scofield’s Bible that caused this new teaching to find favor in this country.
MARGARET SAW THAT IT WAS IN THE SPIRIT THAT WE MEET THE LORD, NOT IN THE AIR
Amen! You are absolutely correct, Alan Byrd. Thank you for bringing what I posted out even clearer about her and John Darby, etc!
Yes, the rapture theory became popularized by Scoffield. It took root and was believed
The video I just found and posted, i felt was very clear along with the Word of God him and I presented to refute the error that slipped in the church since 1830.
It’s just many people because of that teaching, although unintentional, have took some scriptures out of context. twisted and believed this easy way out.
God will NEVER leave or forsake His Children but see us through!
We can learn from our great Godly leaders as Revivalists and our Generals in the Army of God. Also not throw the good out with the bad!
Still even with John Darby (who did a lot of good) got in ERROR in the latter years, even thinking he was Elijah the prophet, etc.
We must stay with the Word of God balancing any theory people say.
Thank you again for more truth and light, Alan. God bless you.
Now MY VIEW is that not all are able to enter the throne room of God not all love the working of Holy Spirit who is absolutely necessary for us to be born of the Spirit the creative power of God. This would be the millennial church the one seen leaving Heaven and arriving at the battle of Armageddon notice they are called the army of Heaven (still at war have not overcome) they spend 1000 years like those is Genesis so no one can say well if Had a 1000 years like Adam I am sure I could figure it out. God is not trying to keep people out of Heaven but if you are going to arrive there and live there that person will have been built and made by God Jesus and Holy Spirit, they will be an individual but will be a child of God, bride of Christ
Adam thanks for posting what you saw God is so good to work with us He does not want anyone to perish but for all the Know Jesus. My belief is not only is Jesus King and the way to Heaven but He is also king of death Hell and the grave HE CONQUEORED ALL AT THE CROSS KING OF ALL LORD OF ALL! Now if someone dies in what we would judge to be sin and if someone has been praying for this person they will bump into Jesus and be given opportunity to repent our prayers are powerful like the thief on the cross. However if you have accepted Jesus and are living that life of repentance and die you are ushered into Heaven with a Trumpet blast the last trump. As you study Gods word you will see many different levels of Spiritual growth, the book of revelation shows distinct groups of people seen in Heaven taken out by death, others via angels, others translated (2 prophets) 144000 at the mount of olives all different groups with different Christian views but all naming the name of Jesus. part 1
Several years ago one afternoon to bed with the hope of taking a Nap but the Lord opened a vision to me. I wasn’t asleep as intended but was seeing things. In the vision my cousin who is a pastor in real & I were going to a wedding venue which we never knew. But we saw ourselves in a cab belonging to a huge White man dressed in a pure white long gown. While on board, He started to preach the word of God to us but all his attentions were on me. He told me I needed to accept Jesus &;work more for God. I felt he was disturbing me & just wished I could alight. I didn’t know then this man was an Angel of God sent to rescue me from eternal damnation soon. Before, we alighted at the foot of a very big mountain, he still turned to me & asked me to consider the words of God to me. I told him I would but I only said so for him to leave me alone as this time I wasn’t just ready to work for God even when I was always going to Church. The man & his car disappeared. Next, we met a woman sitting at the entrance of the mountain, we approached her for directions to the venue. Surprisingly, she told us that the venue is where a White priest was crucified a long time ago, & hung on a tree. And that before we could get there, we will meet obstacles on our parts like dangerous snakes that could swallow us up, big rivers that could drowned us, dangerous forests e.t.c. She asked if we were still willing to reach the venue. We replied yes. Next, we heard the Trumpet sound.
Adams it is so very good to hear from you again! Thank you for sharing this powerful dream.
The Lord God Almighty is so wonderful to send warnings.
There is just one door as you know through Jesus Christ.
He wants us to work for the Kingdom of God till the very end.
It is not by works alone surely, but Faith without works is dead. We Must be faithful and persevere till the very end. No half headedness, with Christians.
We must give it our all. God will rebuke and chasten each and every one of us, if we are truly His children. That is His love also.
I so miss hearing from you. Hope you and your family are well. God’s richest blessings to a fellow soldier in the Army of the Lord!
Greetings to you all in the name of our lord Jesus Christ. Thank you all for your insightful posts. I am not a pastor please but an ordinary person that the Lord loves so much to reveal several things to. I never wanted to comment on this sensitive topic but my spirit continued to trouble me to post the vision I had years ago on this same topic in Africa. please, this is for prayers. Ask God to prove this words brethren. Its a lengthy vision & because of the epileptic network issue at my end, I shall send it more than one Page please. I pray it’s delivered & posted. Thank you Admin & crew.
That part Paul wrote about the last trumpet was not from Revelations 7 angels trumpets. Paul did NOT get this vision of the Revelations. It was given to John, long after Paul was dead. The trumpet Paul was talking about is from Numbers 10
Numbers 10:1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2“Make two silver trumpets for yourself; you shall make them of hammered work; you shall use them for calling the congregation and for directing the movement of the camps. 3When they blow both of them, all the congregation shall gather before you at the door of the tabernacle of meeting.
This goes with Revelations 4:1After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”
I agree Jay, and I also agree with you to let the word of God answer me.
Luke 21:34“But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Isaiah 26:20Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while until the fury has passed by. 21For behold, the Lord is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it,and will no more cover its slain.
1 Thess. 1:10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
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Luke 21:34“But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Revelation 3:10Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
1 Thessalonians 1:10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
Isaiah 26:20Come, my people, enter your chambers,
and shut your doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until the fury has passed by.
21For behold, the Lord is coming out from his place
to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity,
and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it,
and will no more cover its slain.
Post Part 1——–I disagree with you. The Lord revealed to me long ago about the catching away. One of the things I believe He has impressed on me is that 80% of true Christians will be LEFT behind. only 20% of the worldwide true church will be caught up. And one of the reasons, out of many wont make it, is because they were not expecting the Lord to come for them. It takes faith. Another reason why many wont make it is because they observe many man made religious pagan holidays that are not even in the BIBLE and He never told us to observe, like Easter and X-mas. Many will be left behind because of observing and honoring the sun-god Tammuz, when they thought they were honoring God. This is where Jesus rebukes the Church of Thyatira in Revelation 2
Revelations2:20But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 21I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. 22BEHOLD, I WILL THROW HER ONTO A SICKBED, AND THOSE WHO COMMIT ADULTREY WITH HER I WILL THROW INTO GREAT TRIBULATION, UNLESS THEY REPENT OF HER WORKS,
You disagree that the flying eagle is the church seen in Heaven? ON speaking of the Rapture I do not think it is in the next few years parts of the church can get so focused on this event to escape problems that they forget to be more than a conqueror and overcome the evil one in the earth by decreeing and declaring God word in the earth! I would also say that in the time we are living in right now with evil oozing its slime from every crack and crevice of society worldwide, the book of revelation is a small event in comparison to the here and now. Also finding the here and now seen in the book of Daniel makes for some interesting alone time with the Spirit of God, Jesus is building a church which the gates of hell does not prevail against and God is prepping a Bride for His Son It is a glorious Happy to be envied time to be born in the earth and live in Gods plan!